Breed Profile: The Llewellin Setter

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There’s no sight more classic than a pair of gun dogs working a gamebird with one dog pointing and the other backing.

The canines in this case were two Llewellin setters on a South Dakota pheasant hunt last fall. The two dogs stood frozen with heads and tails high in a picture-perfect pose. As one of the hunters walked in to flush the pointed bird, two hens and one rooster rocketed out of the prairie grass. One well-placed shot brought down the long-tailed ringneck and one dog ran out, picked up and brought it in.

“You know, one of the best parts about hunting over these Llewellins,” one of the hunters later said, “is that they hunt ‘with’ us, rather than us hunting ‘for’ them out in the field. Compared to some other kinds of setters I’ve hunted over, Llewellins tend to stay close to the gun, check in with the hunters and generally can be seen nearby in open country or easily found when hidden in heavy cover.”

These dogs are amiable partners that want to find birds for their human hunters rather than just for themselves, and this was made clear after spending three days with the Llewellins. Though this team-player factor is one of the main features of Llewellins, this type of English setter is also praised for numerous other key qualities.

“Look in any book on gun dogs in general or read in particular about these dogs as described on websites or in magazines and you will see them portrayed as having great noses, an intense prey drive, a natural search pattern and a cooperative temperament,” says Dennis Dorfman, a pheasant and prairie grouse hunter from Colorado who has owned Llewellins for more than 30 years.

“Most of my dogs, compared to other types of English setters, are a little smaller with males in the 40- to 50-pound range and females at 35 to 45 pounds,” Dorfman says. “All of them are fast in the field with above-average stamina and a high level of tolerance for warm-to-hot temperatures. And most of my dogs have been natural retrievers. I do, however, personally take them through a trained retrieve course, just to be sure they fetch anything I shoot down and send them for.”

Dorfman doesn’t breed his dogs, but instead takes his time searching for the right lines of Llewellins to buy.

Keeping Close
For 30-some years, Vern Austin has driven from his home in Decatur, Ark., to hunt bobwhite quail in western Texas.

“During that time my family, my friends and I have taken dozens of bird dogs into the heavy-duty Texas cover. Of all the kinds of pointers and setters that have made these trips, Llewellins have been the best overall at hunting close, finding birds and not getting lost in the jungle of vegetation out there,” Austin says.

Close-working setters are the norm in this breed.

“I won’t say our Llewellins never get lost, but I will say when they do lose contact with us, they are the breed most likely to find their way back to where we are,” Austin says. “It’s a genetic thing, I guess, for them to stay in touch and keep close to the gun.”

After years of looking for lost pointers that may not come back all day or all week, he says he can usually count on the Llewellins to come in to a voice call or whistle. With the assistance of an e-collar, Austin says Llewellins are the dogs most likely to be found when the beeper goes off in point mode—and the most likely to check in when Austin signals them in with multiple beeps.

Dead Bird Hunters
When Rod Colson hunted ruffed grouse and woodcock in the Wisconsin woods, dead and wounded birds that fell in heavy cover were usually found by his hunting partner’s German wirehaired pointer.

“My two-year-old Llewellin, Luke, would sort of stand and watch as Bud the wirehair would rip up the cover looking for any dead birds,” Colson recollects. “I thought that maybe Llewellins just didn’t have any dead-bird search in them.”

But one day during a lunch break, Colson’s mind started to change about Luke’s hunt for dead game. His hunting buddy took three freshly killed ruffed grouse and two woodcock, tossed them into a big patch of brambles, and led Luke into the gnarly cover.

“Hunt dead,” he commanded as he took Luke up close to the first bird, which the dog found after a short time. Much petting and praise followed finding that first bird and the rest of them in the thick cover.

From that day on, Colson worked his Llewellin in the “hunt dead” exercise. He used bird carcasses kept in the freezer to do at-home training from January through September so that by October, Luke’s nose would drop to the ground and immediately search for dead game with the cue of “dead bird.”

“My conclusion is that Llewellins are team players as good at finding dead game as any other bird dog if they are taught to do so,” Colson says.

Training Tips
“All three of the Llewellins my family has were trained by my son and me,” says Chuck Hill from Hannibal, Mo. “With Ellie, our first dog, we used as our guide a couple of basic gun dog training books and one DVD on the subject. Ellie turned out to be a good quail dog despite a few mistakes we made along the way—specifically in our failure to develop her retrieving skills.”

That was a mistake they corrected with their next two Llewellins, as they encouraged them as pups to fetch quail wings, dummies and then freshly killed pigeons. At about nine months, they began a gentle trained-retrieve course using an ear pinch. As a result, when the dogs were about a year old, they eagerly fetched up shot training pigeons or wild quail, Hill said.

“Most Llewellins we’ve had were pretty quick to mature and were ready for all basic training while still puppies under a year old. In a majority of cases, in fact, pups born in January to April would be pretty well yard trained in five or six months so they could go on a pheasant, grouse or quail hunt by October to December,” reports Brad Devon of Rochester, N.Y.

Still, because some lines of Llewellins seem to be a little sensitive when introduced to live birds and gunfire, Devon says he starts out with dead pigeons that pups can pick up, carry and play with until they seem comfortable with feathers. Then he moves on to wing-locked live pigeons that pups can chase to develop their enthusiasm for the real thing.

“When the pups are busy with the live birds, we shoot a pistol at 100 yards or so, then slowly work the gun sounds in closer over a seven- to 10-day period, depending on how individual pups react to the experience,” he says.

Setter Selection
Many setters are advertised as Llewellins, but not all of them are pure Llewellins; instead, they may be just plain setters with some Llewellin blood mixed into their breeding, according to Gary Wente, a Llewellin owner and hunter from Oklahoma City, Okla.

As a member of the North American Llewellin Breeders Association, Wente emphasizes the association’s policy that purebred Llewellins must be registered in the Field Dog Stud Book with DNA documentation as proof of their genetic purity. Anyone who buys one of these dogs and wants the real thing should be sure to look for the FDSB certification, Wente notes.

“All breeders in our association have this certifiable authenticity. Within the association, however, there are at least five lines of Llewellins, each with its own special features. So finding a line with specialized characteristics that fit a buyer’s needs is possible with some homework,” Wente says.

To see pure Llewellins at work in the field, look at the www.nalba.org website for breeders who are scattered across North America. Check with each kennel for available puppies, started dogs or finished dogs.

But Wente warns about breeders who give exaggerated sales pitches about their own lines while making negative attacks on others. “Though this is often done in private conversations, some breeders make these claims and mount these criticisms on their websites. Watch out when you hear or see this sort of thing,” Wente says.

“Llewellins love being house dogs but can tolerate being outdoor kennel dogs,” says Carol Christianson, a Llewellin owner-breeder-hunter for 11 years. “In our home, our young dogs are restricted to the kitchen and family room and kept off the furniture. At night we put them in crates just to cut down on the temptation to wander and get into trouble. Our two older dogs, however, will stay the night on their beds in the kitchen.”

Compared to some other English setters and many English pointers, Llewellins seem to have a naturally calmer temperament that makes them more willing to be around people and to please them, Christianson says—“all of which makes them better house and kennel dogs,” she adds.

Close By
“Tanner is out of his kennel and has been gone for an hour,” Chuck Wilson’s daughter told her dad when he came home from work one afternoon. A wave of panic swept over him. Tanner was Wilson’s field trial champion Llewellin setter, the central stud in his breeding program, his main gun dog used for Texas quail hunts all season, and the family’s favorite house pet.

When Wilson went to get his cell phone to alert the neighbors to a dog running loose, he walked out into the back yard. There was Tanner calmly sleeping at the top of the porch steps.

As the dog followed him back to the kennel, Wilson noted, “This is what I like about Llewellins. They want to stay close most all the time. They are team players.”

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  • R. Dees

    Best bird dog I ever had was a Llewellyn from King Kennels out of the Bondhu line and that is saying a lot because I have had some mighty good dogs over the years. I lost him to liver cancer at 8 yrs old. Rest in Peace Jack.

  • Ed P

    Always had English Setters and Pointers in the past to hunt prime quail turf at the family farm in SC. Got our first Llewellin last year out of Mountain View Kennels, and she is also a Dashing Bondhu. She has more natural prey instinct and skills than any four of the others together. Training has been as simple as commands and working her 3-4 hours a week in the field. Probably Llewellins for me from here on out.
    Only downsides I have found are they can be yappy, and they do not travel well. Good article giving a excellent representation of the breed.

    • TLK

      I bought a male puppy out of Mountain View Kennels (born December 2010). He is a sweet dog, with great instincts, but sadly has severe bilateral hip displasia. There is no absolutely no acetabulum on either hip. I am having to get both hips replaced at considerable cost, since the family has already fallen in love with him. (UGA vet school charges 5000 – 6000 dollars per hip.) Also, I can't find a national organization that will recognize his registry. I never meant to get him as a breeding dog, but I am a bit upset that I can't legally "play" at any of the events. I hope your experience is better!

      • Mike Bloodgood

        Dear TLK, Who are YOU? We have no idea who you are? Why are you not using your name? What you describe is not hip dysplasia and why have you not contacted us at Mountain View Kennel if you did indeed purchase one from us? We only raise 100% pure Llewellin Setters, Mr. Llewellin’s personal Dashing Bondhu bloodlines that have been line-bred for over 140 years and are genetically clean. All our pups have a Life-Time Satisfaction Guarantee, the best guarantee in the world and we would replace any pup with such a birth defect without returning the original one. BTW, NO DNA problems in IPDBA registry.

        • TLK

          My father and brother (Paul and Chris) drove to your kennel to pick up the puppy we named Rhys; they said you were pressed for time on the arranged day because one of your family members was getting married that weekend, so you were not able to show them the puppy's parents. We DID contact you about the hips. You offered to give us another puppy, but we have had our hands full with Rhys. I'm sure if you check your e-mail records from the litter born 15 December 2010, you will find the correspondences.

  • Rick Horn

    My brother had a Llewellyn setter bitch and she was great. She taught my German Wirehair how to swim and back. She lived to be 17 years old. Rest in Peace – Blaze.

  • Brandon

    FDSB doesn't have anything to do with being a true llewellin setter. There are plenty of llewellins with other registries

    • Keith H Smith

      FDSB has everything to do with being a Llewellin. Without their recognition of the Llewellin as a separate
      breed back in 1903 there would be no such thing. Further now supported by the requirement for DNA profiling. If not registered with FDSB you are on very thin ice . Ask the question "has the FDSB refused to register the dog? If so why? Otherwise why would one not register with the registry with over 100 years of records for the breed.?
      Keith Smith Lynnhill setters

      • Forrestg

        GOSPEL TRUTH RIGHT THERE!!!!

  • Harold Pate

    I have a Llewellin bitch and she is everything that the reported. Brandy is a super bird finding machine and she sleeps in my bedroom.

  • preston

    the few that i have hunted with down south had little stamina and wilted in the heat? i like setters very much so how would you find a Llewellin model for the south?

  • fgm

    Great dogs. Only other dog I would put up against them is a standard Gordon but I might be favoring what is called a one in a million. I had a Gordon who was only train to come when called everything else he did naturally including water retrieve and hunting dead. That dog double pointed many times and one time triple pointed. He even went behind couple of Llewellins after they had fetched a down bird and pointed one that was still holding.

  • Todd Gould

    I own three Llewellins right now after having several other breeds. They are natural born hunters with incredible instincts. If we walk 5 miles on a hunt the dogs do three times that amount of distance back and forth in front of us. They are endless energy in the field and back each other beautifully. I have found that they train easily and they want to please me. Mine are all house broken, crate trained and love to travel. They are gentle, smart and very beautiful, with varieties of coat colors. I love this breed!

  • Terry

    I have two Llewellins. Both are from Bob's Straight Creek Kennels in Kentucky. My old girl is 12 with the body and stamina of an eight year old. They have been to Montana, Wisconsin and Maine. It does not matter the species they are the finest dogs I have ever owned. Sweet and obedient at the same time. My son's Llewellin was originally trained as a field trial dog but has adjusted to wild game quite well. In fact he may turn out better than my 12 year old and he is only four. I will own nothing else.

  • craig

    I sell Llewellin setters, love them!! Best hunting/family dog ever…

    • greg liddle

      I have a 10 year old bitch, that came from Dove Creek Shooting Preserve, Dove Creek Colo. She is still an absolute hunting machine, though an earlier comment was "happy"…she didn't take long to settle down into a congruent partner in every aspect, except retrieving. AT 29 lbs, she is very small, but the most awesome hunting machine I have ever seen…The man that raised the letter was a guide out there who has since died…
      Any direction on where to hopefully find another ?
      thank you for any direction you may have..
      Greg

  • craig

    Greg, are you looking for another guide or puppy? I would love to see your dogs if you have any pictures of any male adult dogs? Craig http://www.nobleheartzkennels.com

  • BennP

    Can you take your Llewellin setter duck and goose hunting?

  • garnett haubelt

    My Elizabeth (Lizzie) is a Princess of Bondhu thru Henry …… of "Hunting with Hank". Have hunted Reds as well as English but Lizzie is the best of all. Even at 10 she still quarters with the best, points straight out and will back when not the first. She will hunt till the long tongue touches the ground and can recover within half an hour for another half day hunt. Only use a crate with a blanket draped over at night to keep her warm while on the hunt. Sleeps at the foot of the bed at night and travels very well in the back seat ….. sleeping most of the way.

    It will be a sad day, indeed, when she is gone as she has been a constant companion from 7 weeks!

  • pksman

    As apossed to the macho fat waddling labs you see in the field every year?